Lameduke Stuff

[hightreason]

Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

Nice try, but no. You insulted Eduke32 as a ripoff.

You really need to learn when your face is flapping around like a fat ass in the wind, you're spewing TOO MUCH shit for your own good.

I acted the way you were acting when I was about twelve years old. You know what it got me? No respect, no friends, and banned from nearly every game forum I tried to be a member of.

You've been trying to pull a fast one on veterans of the Duke community. Next time, try stealing from the freakin' federal reserve, you might have better luck!

You tried to take credit for something that does not belong to you, and tried to spin a story proven false by your own videos. You changed your story when you were called on it, and then you want to try and pull the victimhood card. Come on dude. Stop trying to deflect the crap back at forumers. Remember; You signed up here. You posted here. You instigated people into an arguement.

By the way, speaking of all that reading you keep telling us to do... You should read the history on Lame Duke. Converting matierials from it is generally looked down upon because of the legalities. Thats just in case you were planning to use any of those matierials as 'place holders' in your 'not quite build' game.

EDuke is a rip-off, well, a bad job of something anyway, i tested it again at some point and it won't unload the Carribean add-on now.

Well, y'know what man, i give up! I've told you about it enough:
> the engine
> the other stuff

Just let it alone!
The conversion is for a personal project of porting LameDuke to Win32 - it shan't be distributed etc, but i'd be checking the legal implications etc of instructing others on how to do so (i would not if legal issues were in the way)

my story hasn't changed, you never read another one because there isn't another one, I myself could be seen as a veteran of the duke community - i played it before most people did and grew up with it. I have not stolen anything, some things were wromgly worded but that'll be rectified (i relied on others to upload, as before covered) - if it's stealing, what's the point in open source (e.g. Why is linux about?) and what's your DooM, oh never a rip-off of Doom is it? hmmm....

i don't see how you can judge my game when i've not seen anything written by yourself, if you have wrote any programs they certainly never were found by me, you should try making AI code, operational code and the like, then you might see how much work I did compared to the amount I rightfully used that was not mine.

Case Closed for the forseeable future, because all is covered by me, i've admitted where I was wrong and it is being sorted.

if i am a troll, than how is thiss trollish.

Message to all:

Yo! i ain't posting in this topic no more - thus I can't be trolling , Wha! PWNED!
(Ya, that's most likely true for all topics, i have an odd feeling this'll get me banned, what a shame, i so wanted to be a part of this community, and like all other communities, i am rejected for liking different things! - Playing the victim card? Nay, I am the victim, or is everyone illiterate and hasn't figured that out by what's been said on these forums yet? I leave you all to work this out - shouldn't take long.)

Bye.

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by hightreason

I leave you all to work this out - shouldn't take long.)

Bye.

Yes, bye bye cap'n victim! Don't let the proverbial door hit you in the proverbial backside.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by hightreason

Bye.

Bye

[Mblackwell]

Originally Posted by hightreason

i'm just playing a game i dislike called Halo Trial

What the hell?

Buddy, did you just mention the Halo Trial Version Demo as if it was somehow the full name of the game?

You see, because that game is called Halo. What you're playing is a Trial version (which means it's limited in features and time). It's an incomplete copy of the game used to demonstrate it to you with the intention that you may buy it. If you dislike it you can uninstall it and no harm done (and no money spent).

Obviously you apparently dislike it and should probably stop playing it.

You can use the time you would have been wasting playing it to instead learn how to use both computers and the English language. Maybe you will even have enough free time to learn manners and respect!

Amazing what you can do with all that time!

[Dopefish7590]

Originally Posted by hightreason

Hmm, where in my post did i say "Hey! Flame me!"

Originally Posted by hightreason

I know (judging by the readme that came with it) that it isn't meant to be talked about. So if you are unhappy, by all means get rid of my topic or flame me

Right here!

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by hightreason

Bye.

Bye

[XTHX2]

Originally Posted by Dopefish7590

Right here!

And you said I was going to catch your contradiction,

But seriously, there will be peace here again if you go away.

[Roma Loom]

That "EMO 3D" engine video was hilarious. Especially when I saw word "crysis" in there.

[Shadow Master]

Welcome to the Internet, HT.

Aahh couldn't miss sharing my thoughts here

Originally Posted by hightreason

i ain't bashing EDuke32, i merely said I didn't like it

Not really: "It's a ripoff" (Of what, I don't know...), "it sucks", etc

Originally Posted by hightreason

look at the evidence man, you may realise I have done nothing wrong - if opinions are aginst forum rules than that should be added to the warning before entering, if it's OK for everyone else to whine on saying "I hate JFDuke3D" but it's not OK for me to say I don't then that really sucks

Oh you can very well give your opinions, but in a civil manner, just like everyone else in this forum. You didn't give opinions though, you just bashed Eduke32 for wrong reasons (I seriously hope you've downloaded a really old snapshot though...as the Latest Eduke32 version can be found at the link at the end of this post).

Originally Posted by hightreason

I am not about to start liking it just because it's apparently better (Ya 2X Anisotorpy - or however it's spelt

Yes, it seems you're indeed an experienced programmer.

Originally Posted by hightreason

- and Linear filtering of EDuke3D vs 16X and Trilinear of JFDuke3D is really great innit,

Eduke32 has 16x and trillinear as well. And you really want us to take you seriously?

Originally Posted by hightreason

well, EDuke is capable but won't do it on this machine)

Not Eduke32's fault. What machine and OS are you using anyway?

Originally Posted by hightreason

and the majority use it, even about where i live, everybody dislikes me because I like different things to them, I learned to live with it (coz I ain't a sheep)

It's not about being a sheep or going with the trend. It's about having some common sense. Also if you don't care about what people think about you, at least please don't bother other people with your attitude. There's nothing wrong with being "different", it's just wrong to bother everyone else. If you really "had a life" a "Good one" at least, you wouldn't be having this horrendous attitude towards people.

Originally Posted by hightreason

and I don't see why other people can't do the same in the sense that they accept that what they like may be different to me, even if there are more of them, what's next? Everyone gonna slag me off because I don't like something else, are you gonna bash someone in the street because they don't play duke? NO! so why mess me about with this.

You don't see the point here, no one is bashing your opinions. Everyone is bashing your attitude and stubborness. And yes, you've been proven wrong. Why? Because Eduke32 isn't worse than JFDuke. I won't say that JFDuke is crap because it took a lot of effort to make, but it's coder didn't update it for over 3 years now. If you're a coder, you'd know that 3 years of Bug fixing and improvement making definitely make a program better, which is Eduke32. If you can't get it to work, the right attitude would be asking us and then we help you to make it work, simple as that. You probably would've saved a LOT of typing if you had the right attitude.

JFduke is different, you may show a preference because of that, but don't come here saying it's worse than Eduke32 when JFDuke is far more unstable than Eduke32. And no, Eduke32 being more unstable on YOUR end doesn't count, as you still haven't provided which OS you're using (or I missed it).
Also, I repeat, did you download THE LATEST version of Eduke32? There's a really old version floating around the internet and you probably got that one, that's my bet.

Originally Posted by hightreason

if I'm a troll TerminX, and that's against the rules than (even though you are a moderator) why are you allowed to use the word PISS when that is also against forum rules in the sense that it is abbusive to me? - just an honest question.

That's who he is, and he's completely right. No, I'm not licking his ass because he's a moderator, I just respect his work on a port for a game that I spent more than 6 years making maps for. (Please, don't pull the "I've been around longer than you" card as it really doesn't matter, it isn't about quantity, it's about quality).

Originally Posted by hightreason

End of the day the banning is in the hands of people like you, but what the hell, all the same to me.
_HT!

I'm not even going to bother quoting your very last post as saying "OWNED" is definitely trollish, if you can't see that...well....


Last but not least, if you had 5 years when playing Duke Shareware, then you definitely are around 17-19 years old. Just saying, because you said to someone here "Why are you implying I'm 17 when I didn't state my DOB at youtube?"

Also, what is this crap? : "You may also consider that I have a criminal record for hacking and other similar crimes - that's all I am saying. except - Try getting in touch with effin youtube to report racial abuse or summat! IMPOSSIBLE!"

LATEST VERSION OF EDUKE32. Make sure you've got this one before making accusations. Also YOU DIDN'T APOLOGISE to TerminX for accusing him of ripping someone's work, as you've been proven wrong

http://wiki.eduke32.com/stuff

[XTHX2]

Originally Posted by timothy2

Aahh couldn't miss sharing my thoughts here




Not really: "It's a ripoff" (Of what, I don't know...), "it sucks", etc



Oh you can very well give your opinions, but in a civil manner, just like everyone else in this forum. You didn't give opinions though, you just bashed Eduke32 for wrong reasons (I seriously hope you've downloaded a really old snapshot though...as the Latest Eduke32 version can be found at the link at the end of this post).



Yes, it seems you're indeed an experienced programmer.




Eduke32 has 16x and trillinear as well. And you really want us to take you seriously?




Not Eduke32's fault. What machine and OS are you using anyway?



It's not about being a sheep or going with the trend. It's about having some common sense. Also if you don't care about what people think about you, at least please don't bother other people with your attitude. There's nothing wrong with being "different", it's just wrong to bother everyone else. If you really "had a life" a "Good one" at least, you wouldn't be having this horrendous attitude towards people.



You don't see the point here, no one is bashing your opinions. Everyone is bashing your attitude and stubborness. And yes, you've been proven wrong. Why? Because Eduke32 isn't worse than JFDuke. I won't say that JFDuke is crap because it took a lot of effort to make, but it's coder didn't update it for over 3 years now. If you're a coder, you'd know that 3 years of Bug fixing and improvement making definitely make a program better, which is Eduke32. If you can't get it to work, the right attitude would be asking us and then we help you to make it work, simple as that. You probably would've saved a LOT of typing if you had the right attitude.

JFduke is different, you may show a preference because of that, but don't come here saying it's worse than Eduke32 when JFDuke is far more unstable than Eduke32. And no, Eduke32 being more unstable on YOUR end doesn't count, as you still haven't provided which OS you're using (or I missed it).
Also, I repeat, did you download THE LATEST version of Eduke32? There's a really old version floating around the internet and you probably got that one, that's my bet.




That's who he is, and he's completely right. No, I'm not licking his ass because he's a moderator, I just respect his work on a port for a game that I spent more than 6 years making maps for. (Please, don't pull the "I've been around longer than you" card as it really doesn't matter, it isn't about quantity, it's about quality).



I'm not even going to bother quoting your very last post as saying "OWNED" is definitely trollish, if you can't see that...well....


Last but not least, if you had 5 years when playing Duke Shareware, then you definitely are around 17-19 years old. Just saying, because you said to someone here "Why are you implying I'm 17 when I didn't state my DOB at youtube?"

Also, what is this crap? : "You may also consider that I have a criminal record for hacking and other similar crimes - that's all I am saying. except - Try getting in touch with effin youtube to report racial abuse or summat! IMPOSSIBLE!"

LATEST VERSION OF EDUKE32. Make sure you've got this one before making accusations. Also YOU DIDN'T APOLOGISE to TerminX for accusing him of ripping someone's work, as you've been proven wrong

http://wiki.eduke32.com/stuff

So the point is, this thread must be locked. He's probably having some psychological problems or has problems with his mind or common sense. Just, leave him alone and don't let this go too far...

[NutWrench]

Wow. We haven't had one of these kind of threads in a LONG time.

[stumppy84]

Back to the bridge from which you came from.

[gungriffon geona]

I enjoy this thread. it makes me laugh and I feel happy to have read over something that goes above and beyond the call of stupidity.

[Shadow Master]

Originally Posted by hightreason

I have not stolen anything, some things were wromgly worded but that'll be rectified (i relied on others to upload, as before covered) - if it's stealing, what's the point in open source (e.g. Why is linux about?) and what's your DooM, oh never a rip-off of Doom is it? hmmm....

i don't see how you can judge my game when i've not seen anything written by yourself, if you have wrote any programs they certainly never were found by me, you should try making AI code, operational code and the like, then you might see how much work I did compared to the amount I rightfully used that was not mine.

Okay, this is enough.

To begin, whether you have been playing Duke Nukem for more time than us or not doesn't matter due to the fact that you were so young - if you are so hard-minded nowadays, I can't imagine how it was like when you were 5 y.o.

Now, to the point. This is directed at you, hightreason, in particular (even if you don't return, I bet you'll eventually read this):

From all the nonsense you are talking, it is fairly obvious that you have never really been involved in serious software development. You talk at us like if you were in some way superior just because you can supposedly code operating systems (note the proper wording!!) and game engines. Ah poor kid, you don't understand really, huh? TerminX and the rest don't go to all forums like immature children saying "I can program, I wrote operational [sic] sytems, etc. etc." just to catch other people's attention. They take their bussiness seriously.

And yeah, in case you didn't know, I in fact am developer at a large open-source game project, which is fairly mature (1.5.3 to go in a few weeks), has a large community of players, testers, coders (in C++, Perl, Python, Ruby and WML), artists (high-res art, sprites, and musicians), system administrators, experts on PHP, HTML, CSS, MediaWiki, and database technologies, including one of the most famous hackers in the open-source movement ('hacker' not as in 'newspapers-lang', don't confuse with 'cracker', you jerk). So I have witnessed and participated the development of open-source at a certain degree. I know how much effort it requires to develop a game engine, to debug and test it, and to improve it. I know how much effort it draws to deal with trolls and suchlike (being moderator at the project's forums), I know when a person is really worth of my time for teaching them or helping them as new contributors, and I can tell when a person can not just "write code", but develop an idea into useful programs.

But I don't go repeating this on every one of my posts.

I also work in my own open-source project (not known by anyone but me and a few people at another forum), but I don't need to advertise it at every place I visit. I have spent endless nights learning, writing and debugging my own code, aiming to produce a free, open-source, cross-platform game engine for anyone else (but me) to use. I can clearly see that you don't really understand what open-source is about. You can clearly take other people's code and reuse it in your own program, as long as you follow the license terms under which that code was originally published, and give the authors adequate credit. Plagiarism has no place amongst open source. You are stealing other people's work, demonstrated by the sole fact that you are claiming to have done it yourself.

But I don't go repeating this on every one of my posts.

In the matter of open source, when I said that "Eduke32 is a fork from JFDuke", I meant it. Eduke32 *is* JFDuke plus lots of bugfixes, enhancements for add-on creators, new features for mappers (Mapster32), stabilitiy and performance improvements. Its parts inherit the original licenses (GNU GPL v2 for the Duke3d specific code, Ken Silverman's custom license for the Build engine), the credits to the authors of every part, and the freedom of use, enhancement and distribution that all this is about.

But your freedom ends where other people's freedom start (a proverb I use, in Spanish). And that is something you should always remember, because you don't live alone in this world. We are all human beings and we all deserve freedom. And we all shall have that freedom, as long as it doesn't harm (in any degree) other human beings. This specially important for me and the users at the project SVN repository I admin (side-project to the first one I mentioned above), and the wikis I sysop.

And don't use your friends as a excuse for your own mistakes. If you are doing so, and you really have those friends, then they probably don't deserve you. In fact, they would be really disappointed if they read this (as long as they are not psychos like you).

So yeah. All your babble pissed me off already. In fact, it deserves a lot more wording that I'm not going to use... not for now, at least.

So, Welcome to the Internet. If you can't survive here, you won't survive in Real Life either. Unless you start learning now.

Regards
-- Ignacio

P.S. And don't bring your RL issues here. If you read the "General Messages" subforum, you'd notice that most of us have them. If you read all the subfora carefully as well, you'd notice the people here (in particular the ones who have posted in this thread) are friendly indeed, albeit those issues. Naturally, they are so as long as you don't act in unfriendly manners. You act unfriendly rude, voilà, you get bashed (and eventually banned). Obviously.

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P.S.2 To be honest, like Commando Nukem, I had my time of being n00b and troll too. :P

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P.S.3 Since you are a UK-resident and you have just finished your basic studies, you should learn to speak English more accurately, correctly and fluently as soon as possible, In my Opinion.

[Plagman]

Wow, that was pretty unnecessary.

[The Commander]

Wow, indeed.

[Commando Nukem]

I think this thread could prove to be therapeutic for some of us.

[TerminX]

Alright guys, I think this one has gone on long enough.