Nit picking the Duke!

[Micki!]

Parkar asked me to make a Concept sketch of Duke's face... I just finished it...
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His eyes might look a bit odd... That's because i misplaced them a bit, but i didn't want to fix/remove them, since he's going to wear sunglasses anyways...
It also appears that his left sided face has more 'head' than 'face'... This is because of the misplaced eyes again i guess...

Anyways, I hope it'll help you with your work Parkar... Remember that the right side of his face looks different than the left...

[Dr. Kill]

looks like a zombie without pupils!

[Micki!]

Dr. Kill said:
looks like a zombie without pupils!

That's the first thing i had in mind too when i finished it ...
But the eyes are just there to fill out space... It looks too empty if there was just nothing ...

[Parkar]

Next, gun and then tweak tweak tweak.

[Dr. Kill]

Duke's face is pretty good. Remember, Duke is a mix of Bruce Campbell and Roddy Piper, so he should look like a mix of the two. Right now he looks too much like the T1000 from T2. Great work, anyway! Can't wait to do the Duke painskins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blade Nightflame]

Damn, he looks incredibly young there. XD;

Reminds me of Micky!'s Mini Duke comic. X3;

[Parkar]

The age is because the of the smooth unskinned appearance.

[Dave-ros]

Blade Nightflame said:
Damn, he looks incredibly young there. XD;

Agreed - I'm sure the skin will add some grizzled wrinkles, battle scars and stubble... not to mention a shirt Cover up Duke, there's women and children present!!!

The model's looking good so far, but I don't envy whoever has to animate it... that's a task and a half!

[General Failure]

Looks awesome. You really got the face geometry right! With some good texture on that...

Btw Parkar, check your PMs

[Soul Collector]

Wow, the head looks damn cool.

But i think the Head is a bit too big.

[Parkar]

head looks a bit bigger because of the perspective in that shot. Anyway here is a better view of the model with wires and all. (no smoothed version since I ***** up and lost my smoothing groups )

http://hem.bredband.net/pa_duke/duke_wire.png

[zworqy]

my nitpicks

- more muscles! (bigger torso)
- slightly bigger mouth/chin

after that he's done!

[Kev_Hectic]

Soul Collector said:
Wow, the head looks damn cool.

But i think the Head is a bit too big.

Looking at the two, Parkar's Duke model is actually a lot taller in comparison to the original sprite, making the models head smaller in proportion to its body.

Here's a comparison of the two side by side...

I think what makes Duke's head look bigger in the model is that the model doesn't look quite as bulky as the sprite does. But anyway, that model is looking awesome so far..

[Parkar]

You have to remeber that if I would pose him like the sprite he would be almost one head shorter.

[Tixus]

I'm totally digging this new model. When I look at it, I see Duke--not just somebody's interpretation of Duke. My only nitpick is that his muscles look a lot smaller when he's smoothed out--I think they need to be accentuated a bit more, otherwise they look like flab. Maybe the skin will take care of that, I dunno. I'm not really into modeling but I can tell this one's gonna turn out good.

[Kev_Hectic]

Oh, you're right. I just looked at the sprite Duke from one of the side angles, and they would be close to the same hight if his knees weren't bent.

[Ras]

Looks really swell to me.

[Tesserex]

The reason some proportions look way off while individually things are fine is because all the separate errors are adding up.

1. His thighs are a bit too long, so his knees are too low. This gives the illusion that his arms are too short. The thigh should be about the length of his forearm + hand.

2. Try to get the elbows in the two images to match height.

3. Do make him taller. I always felt like a midget in the game because when I looked in the mirror, I barely came up past a sink. It was as if he was constantly crouching.

[AlgorithMan]

Tixus said:
I'm totally digging this new model. When I look at it, I see Duke--not just somebody's interpretation of Duke. My only nitpick is that his muscles look a lot smaller when he's smoothed out--I think they need to be accentuated a bit more, otherwise they look like flab. Maybe the skin will take care of that, I dunno. I'm not really into modeling but I can tell this one's gonna turn out good.

yes, I guess the skin will accentuate his muscles
I love this model! can't wait to see it animated and skinned =)

I like it that he is taller now... he looks more muscular and trained... i think he should look like that more than looking small and fat like the quakeguy (he runs and jumps like an athlete, which is one reason why i always preferred duke to other games like quake)

[Mblackwell]

Um, he technically is in a slight crouch. If you were in combat, you would be too.

[Micki!]

Parkar said:
Next, gun and then tweak tweak tweak.

WOW!!! He looks AWESOME!!!

But his mouth, why isn't i smirking like on the sprite..? (or in that case, like my concept )
Btw, did the concept even help you with his head..?!

[the pineapplehead]

Could you quickly pose him like in that sprite so we can get a better comparison?

Mighty fine job you're doing though, can't WAIT to see it finished.

Ill be playing the whole game in third person style from now on

[jimbob]

Kev_Hectic said:

Looking at the two, Parkar's Duke model is actually a lot taller in comparison to the original sprite, making the models head smaller in proportion to its body.

Here's a comparison of the two side by side...

I think what makes Duke's head look bigger in the model is that the model doesn't look quite as bulky as the sprite does. But anyway, that model is looking awesome so far..

the pointy head has to go, duke has a flat top, other than that it looks fuxing fantastic \o/

[Banjo]

Nice work!

[Parkar]

Done some of the tweaks sugested and got the smoothing groups back.

[Dr. Kill]

[Duke]Damn, I'm lookin good![/Duke]

[Dave-ros]

That makes me feel inadequate. I demand you remake him with skinny arms, a pot belly, and nothing in the trousers!!!!!!

Seriously, it's looking better all the time...

[DSotM]

keep up the awesome work, I have no complaints now until the skin comes out, I think parkar has the right idea with the mesh

[Boinky]

Duke has baloon feet!

Kick ass model though.. I bet your gonan love animating it

[Micki!]

Parkar said:
Done some of the tweaks sugested and got the smoothing groups back.

The boots look a bit odd... I suggest you should use something in style of what the Octa-Avenger is wearing... (can be found in my sig) It looks more military-ish than those ... Baloon boots...

[WarHammer]

I agree the boots don't look quite right. They would look better, I think, if you made the boot collar a (virtual) couple inches taller. Right now they look more like booties than boots. It could also use an outsole but that's probably best accomplished with the skin.

Still, even as it is now it's already several times better than I feared the Duke model might end up looking. Your models just continue to improve.

[jimbob]

the boots are tall enough for army boots, the originals werent all that high either.

[Parkar]

Got him rigged, new speed record. About 1 hour for the weighting and another 30min testing him on some crazy animations. Next, making the default pose and bring him in game. (HE IS NOT SKINNED YET JUST GOT SOME BASIC COLORS AND A QUICK SHIRT)

http://hem.bredband.net/pa_duke/Duke_bal.avi

[Tesserex]

holy crap thats amazing. I wasnt expecting such girly moves though. I think his legs were moving a little unrealistically, not quite sure. I think his hands should also be able to do something.

[Hellbound]

Very cool ! I want that as a walking animation !!!

[AlgorithMan]

roflmao... this animation cracks me up =)

[Symok]

Lawsome. Can't wait to see the finished product!

PS: That animation is great too

[Dave-ros]

That's fan-dabba-doozy

Hell, who needs a skin, he looks fine just the way he is (now he's found a shirt)!

[drvarek]

hey, good animation! lol

i must say that i cant wait for this great model to be done, but i'm also very happy that we'll have all hud weapons done, once when duke model is finished (i'm talking about mighty boot)

[Boinky]

Wow you Duke just lost so many man points in my book! My dreams of being Duke are crushed! He did lose his points very gracefully though